1 Sep 14 22:01:46 <pockeylam>	let's start?
   2 Sep 14 22:02:09 <utian>	ok
   3 Sep 14 22:02:12 <pockeylam>	good
   4 Sep 14 22:02:17 <pockeylam>	agenda item 1) Update on GNOME.Asia 2011 briefing 
   5 Sep 14 22:03:07 <pockeylam>	as we see from the emails sent these days, we need to check the cost of travel from our potential host countries to some european cities
   6 Sep 14 22:03:37 <pockeylam>	i checked the price here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost 
   7 Sep 14 22:04:17 <pockeylam>	and we also need prepare a survey to ask our targets 
   8 Sep 14 22:04:44 <utian>	pockeylam, why you pick 1st to 8th November 2010? for the date?
   9 Sep 14 22:05:02 <pockeylam>	utian, because i checked marh 2011, it became very expensive
  10 Sep 14 22:05:12 <pockeylam>	utian, as it's too far away
  11 Sep 14 22:05:14 <pockeylam>	utian, :)
  12 Sep 14 22:05:20 <pockeylam>	utian, it's like 5000 Euro 
  13 Sep 14 22:05:39 <utian>	wow
  14 Sep 14 22:05:50 <pockeylam>	utian, since we just take it as reference, and usually people buy it ~1 month in advance
  15 Sep 14 22:06:03 <pockeylam>	utian, so i take November 1st  (around 1 month later)
  16 Sep 14 22:06:13 <utian>	pockeylam, i see
  17 Sep 14 22:06:27 <pockeylam>	utian, it's just for reference, we can see the trend
  18 Sep 14 22:06:39 <pockeylam>	utian, but feel free to change the price if you found better offer
  19 Sep 14 22:07:21 <utian>	pockeylam, :D, ok, but not now
  20 Sep 14 22:07:21 <pockeylam>	utian, by the way, your wiki account for gnome is UtianAyuba?
  21 Sep 14 22:07:56 <pockeylam>	utian, as i set admin right for AsiaGroup for some pages, only committee member can view and write, just wonder if i put it right
  22 Sep 14 22:08:07 <pockeylam>	sakana, what's your wiki account for live.gnome.org?
  23 Sep 14 22:08:15 <pockeylam>	sakana, i wanna add you in the committee group as well
  24 Sep 14 22:08:19 <utian>	pockeylam, checking...
  25 Sep 14 22:08:31 <sakana>	pockeylam, checking
  26 Sep 14 22:08:34 <pockeylam>	sakana, utian thanks!
  27 Sep 14 22:08:55 <pockeylam>	so now there is a page at http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/survey2011 
  28 Sep 14 22:09:19 <pockeylam>	only committee members can read and write
  29 Sep 14 22:09:44 <pockeylam>	we can all work together on the survey questions and define out potential targets
  30 Sep 14 22:11:10 <SFD_Fred>	I think now is the time to find out what we will offer to the survey participants
  31 Sep 14 22:11:15 <utian>	ups i  forget the username and password :D
  32 Sep 14 22:11:19 <SFD_Fred>	I wish Brian could be here
  33 Sep 14 22:11:54 <pockeylam>	utian, usually it's your full name, no?  the worse case you register another one :)
  34 Sep 14 22:13:09 <SFD_Fred>	without a compelling plan for them why would they travel so far?
  35 Sep 14 22:13:40 <sakana>	pockeylam,  My Account is "ChunHung Huang"
  36 Sep 14 22:14:13 <pockeylam>	sakana, can have a space in between?
  37 Sep 14 22:14:56 <pockeylam>	so in the survey, before asking questions, we will have a brief description about what's our plan to be and what's their benefits to join?
  38 Sep 14 22:15:09 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: yes..
  39 Sep 14 22:15:11 <sakana>	pockeylam, There is a space between my first name and last name
  40 Sep 14 22:15:12 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, good idea 
  41 Sep 14 22:15:20 <SFD_Fred>	a good plan should entice them to say YES I am IN!
  42 Sep 14 22:15:29 <utian>	pockeylam, or may be i still dont have one, i'll chek more and tell you later, is it ok?
  43 Sep 14 22:15:35 <sakana>	SFD_Fred, they love to share
  44 Sep 14 22:15:41 <pockeylam>	utian, sure, please email to the list and tell me later
  45 Sep 14 22:16:10 <pockeylam>	AI: Utian to send his GNOME wiki account to Pockey to put in AsiaGroup
  46 Sep 14 22:16:25 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, but it has to be short, just a brief 
  47 Sep 14 22:16:31 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, otherwise it will be like a proposal
  48 Sep 14 22:16:48 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, i think the survey will also help us to see if our targets are interested in it or not
  49 Sep 14 22:16:55 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: yes.. a paragraph
  50 Sep 14 22:18:10 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, no problem, i put the reminder in the wiki page for survey2011
  51 Sep 14 22:18:32 <pockeylam>	so let's spend 5 mins to talk about who we should target?
  52 Sep 14 22:19:04 <wers>	pockeylam, I've been wondering about that..
  53 Sep 14 22:19:34 <wers>	the survey is suppose to determine what would entice participants to join, right?
  54 Sep 14 22:19:43 <SFD_Fred>	i think utian and ... had a point. on a release date you get marketing and documentation people busy
  55 Sep 14 22:19:47 <SFD_Fred>	dev, not so much
  56 Sep 14 22:20:01 <SFD_Fred>	wers: yes.. what makes sense
  57 Sep 14 22:20:09 <pockeylam>	from brian's email , he mentioned (such as the GNOME release team, the docs
  58 Sep 14 22:20:09 <pockeylam>	team, the Marketing team, and others who will be involved with the
  59 Sep 14 22:20:09 <pockeylam>	actual mechanics of doing the launch)
  60 Sep 14 22:20:43 <SFD_Fred>	ok let's go back to the basics maybe.
  61 Sep 14 22:20:52 <SFD_Fred>	we want to hit strong and hard next year
  62 Sep 14 22:21:20 <SFD_Fred>	we've had 2 years of Gnome.asia with poor control over the finance and losing money
  63 Sep 14 22:21:47 <SFD_Fred>	so we're aiming at something similar as our first year where we end up being cash positive
  64 Sep 14 22:22:14 <SFD_Fred>	and since next year is GNOME 3.0 release it's a good opportunity to get the buzz in our way
  65 Sep 14 22:22:34 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, agreed
  66 Sep 14 22:22:43 <SFD_Fred>	doing a hackfest on the release day/week could help us to get some gnome contributors together and do the work in Asia
  67 Sep 14 22:22:56 <pockeylam>	so we should send the surveys to companies definitely
  68 Sep 14 22:23:02 <SFD_Fred>	thus attracting hidden gnomes in Asia
  69 Sep 14 22:23:19 <wers>	yep. that's the important part. *in asia*
  70 Sep 14 22:23:26 <wers>	or else, we'll be a guadec duplicate
  71 Sep 14 22:23:56 <SFD_Fred>	wers: well yes. guadec is for Europeans no?
  72 Sep 14 22:23:57 <SFD_Fred>	;-)
  73 Sep 14 22:24:28 <SFD_Fred>	anyway we saw a big difference between 2009 and 2010 regardless of the funding issues
  74 Sep 14 22:24:57 <SFD_Fred>	2010 was a great achievement (like in Beijing) in the sense that we found some GNOME souls in Taiwan
  75 Sep 14 22:25:22 <SFD_Fred>	so things are moving and have a professionally organize conference focusing on technical subjects was a plus
  76 Sep 14 22:25:40 <SFD_Fred>	(for information 2009 was more generic 'use Foss' conference)
  77 Sep 14 22:26:08 <pockeylam>	we also need to dig out the GNOME contributors in Asia 
  78 Sep 14 22:26:27 *	utian listening...
  79 Sep 14 22:26:37 <pockeylam>	the surveys should be address to them as well, it's good to find them earlier and invite them to join :)
  80 Sep 14 22:27:05 <pockeylam>	u know, every year, we found a few more asian contributors for GNOME
  81 Sep 14 22:27:09 <pockeylam>	that we didn't know before
  82 Sep 14 22:27:17 <SFD_Fred>	so having high profile technically involved Gnome people should help us to achieve this
  83 Sep 14 22:27:28 <pockeylam>	maybe this year, we can start earlier to find them ;)
  84 Sep 14 22:27:35 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, definitely
  85 Sep 14 22:28:51 <pockeylam>	so to whom: 
  86 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. GNOME release team
  87 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. GNOME docs team
  88 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. GNOME marketing team
  89 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. Others who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch
  90 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. companies - potential sponsors 
  91 Sep 14 22:28:53 <pockeylam>	 1. GNOME contributors living in Asia
  92 Sep 14 22:29:05 <SFD_Fred>	i think so yes
  93 Sep 14 22:29:09 <wers>	pockeylam, sounds good
  94 Sep 14 22:29:17 <SFD_Fred>	so now we can get a few dev on top of that, and we should push for it
  95 Sep 14 22:29:28 <SFD_Fred>	but we need to remember who needs to do the work
  96 Sep 14 22:29:46 <pockeylam>	dev == Others who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch?
  97 Sep 14 22:29:48 <pockeylam>	hehe
  98 Sep 14 22:29:50 <pockeylam>	we have them already 
  99 Sep 14 22:30:17 <SFD_Fred>	ok then. sounds good
 100 Sep 14 22:30:19 <pockeylam>	then for the survey we will have a brief introduction, let's draft it later
 101 Sep 14 22:30:24 <pockeylam>	now move to questions
 102 Sep 14 22:30:25 *	sakana listening
 103 Sep 14 22:30:30 <pockeylam>	what kind of questions we should ask? :) 
 104 Sep 14 22:30:40 <pockeylam>	i think first, should be location
 105 Sep 14 22:30:56 <SFD_Fred>	oh yes.. location location location
 106 Sep 14 22:30:59 <pockeylam>	yeah
 107 Sep 14 22:31:16 <SFD_Fred>	should we let them pick?
 108 Sep 14 22:31:17 <pockeylam>	number of days? 
 109 Sep 14 22:31:19 <pockeylam>	sure
 110 Sep 14 22:31:21 <pockeylam>	we let them pick
 111 Sep 14 22:31:57 <SFD_Fred>	well it seems to be a standard 5 days
 112 Sep 14 22:32:00 <pockeylam>	ok
 113 Sep 14 22:32:18 <SFD_Fred>	i d like to add +1 for conference style open door 
 114 Sep 14 22:32:38 <SFD_Fred>	we don't want visitors during the 5 'working days'
 115 Sep 14 22:32:52 <pockeylam>	ok
 116 Sep 14 22:32:54 <SFD_Fred>	but it would be nice to have a 1 day conference where people can come and listen to talks
 117 Sep 14 22:33:03 <SFD_Fred>	so I'd suggest 5+1
 118 Sep 14 22:33:10 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, sure 5+1
 119 Sep 14 22:33:10 <wers>	ooh. yep. that's the purpose of the +1
 120 Sep 14 22:33:36 <wers>	for the "use foss" conference part
 121 Sep 14 22:33:56 <SFD_Fred>	wers: not really
 122 Sep 14 22:34:12 <SFD_Fred>	wers: more for developers curious in gnome technologies
 123 Sep 14 22:34:21 <SFD_Fred>	wers: i see the 5 days as working days
 124 Sep 14 22:34:21 <pockeylam>	another question can be:  Do you want to attend the upcoming GNOME.Asia 2011
 125 Sep 14 22:34:26 <pockeylam>	and ask why 
 126 Sep 14 22:34:28 <SFD_Fred>	getting doc finished and online
 127 Sep 14 22:34:34 <SFD_Fred>	marketing materials etc
 128 Sep 14 22:34:41 <pockeylam>	and then select the countries from a list 
 129 Sep 14 22:34:53 <SFD_Fred>	so someone (even asian) attending will be working and not chit chatting with the people busy
 130 Sep 14 22:35:08 <SFD_Fred>	and they should commit to the full 5 days
 131 Sep 14 22:35:14 <SFD_Fred>	(i might be wrong on this one)
 132 Sep 14 22:35:41 <pockeylam>	commit to full 5 days :) 
 133 Sep 14 22:36:22 <SFD_Fred>	they're coming to write lines of stuff.. not listen to people talking
 134 Sep 14 22:36:45 <pockeylam>	If there is a tour the day after the whole events, will you attend? ;)
 135 Sep 14 22:36:47 <utian>	sorry all, before i miss more, this survey is for current developer or for prospective developer (hackfest participants)?
 136 Sep 14 22:37:05 <pockeylam>	utian, yes, the survey is for our potential targets to join the hackfest
 137 Sep 14 22:37:21 <utian>	pockeylam, ok
 138 Sep 14 22:37:21 <pockeylam>	utian, to see if they are interested to join before we decided to host 
 139 Sep 14 22:38:00 *	yippi (~bc99092@sca-ea-fw-1.Sun.COM) has joined #asia-summit
 140 Sep 14 22:38:05 <pockeylam>	Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event? 
 141 Sep 14 22:38:07 <pockeylam>	yippi, hi 
 142 Sep 14 22:38:12 <wers>	wow. hi yippi !
 143 Sep 14 22:38:37 <yippi>	hi, sorry i'm late.
 144 Sep 14 22:38:49 <pockeylam>	yippi, it's ok, so cool u can join us now
 145 Sep 14 22:38:59 <pockeylam>	yippi, we are brainstorming the survey questions and targets
 146 Sep 14 22:39:11 <yippi>	anything i can do to help?
 147 Sep 14 22:39:13 <pockeylam>	yippi, and i m filling them in real time here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/survey2011
 148 Sep 14 22:39:16 <sakana>	Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event?  <---------   I like this one
 149 Sep 14 22:39:21 <SFD_Fred>	utian: it's also to see if poeple in Europe would join
 150 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	To Whom
 151 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   1. GNOME release team
 152 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   2. GNOME docs team
 153 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   3. GNOME marketing team
 154 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   4. Others e.g. developers who will be involved with the actual mechanics of doing the launch
 155 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   5. companies - potential sponsors
 156 Sep 14 22:39:26 <pockeylam>	   6. GNOME contributors living in Asia 
 157 Sep 14 22:39:48 <pockeylam>	yippi, we are defining whom we will send the survey to ask questions, what do u think? 
 158 Sep 14 22:40:06 <yippi>	looks good
 159 Sep 14 22:40:14 <pockeylam>	yippi, and then for questions
 160 Sep 14 22:40:18 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: hi
 161 Sep 14 22:40:47 <pockeylam>	yippi, first fred suggested to have a paragraph of introduction for the event before asking questions
 162 Sep 14 22:41:19 <pockeylam>	yippi, then we will ask them questions like whether they are interested to join, the locations 
 163 Sep 14 22:41:33 <utian>	how about these question: "would you like to contribute to GNOME Project after the event?"
 164 Sep 14 22:41:52 <pockeylam>	utian, hehe, they should be contributing already :)
 165 Sep 14 22:42:08 <sakana>	What's your best point for GNOME.Asia this year?
 166 Sep 14 22:43:14 *	terral (~wlashell@67.51.139.235) has joined #asia-summit
 167 Sep 14 22:43:30 <pockeylam>	sakana, what do u mean?
 168 Sep 14 22:43:46 <sakana>	for question^^ 
 169 Sep 14 22:43:58 <pockeylam>	best point? 
 170 Sep 14 22:44:01 <terral>	sadly,   asiasummit,  was not asia-summit    bleah
 171 Sep 14 22:44:02 <SFD_Fred>	terral: hey! How was the sleep? ;-) (don t say short... )
 172 Sep 14 22:44:17 <pockeylam>	terral, what happened?
 173 Sep 14 22:44:26 <pockeylam>	so for questions, so far we have: 
 174 Sep 14 22:44:27 <pockeylam>	 1. Do you want to join the upcoming GNOME.Asia 2011? why? 
 175 Sep 14 22:44:27 <pockeylam>	 1. Where do you want it to host? a list of countries / cities 
 176 Sep 14 22:44:27 <pockeylam>	 1. If there is a one day tour offered to participants, will you join? 
 177 Sep 14 22:44:27 <pockeylam>	 1. If yes, what kind of places you would like to go? multiple choice
 178 Sep 14 22:44:27 <pockeylam>	 1. Will you encourage any of your friends, co-workers or colleagues to attend the event? 
 179 Sep 14 22:45:12 *	sakana thinking ...
 180 Sep 14 22:45:20 <pockeylam>	what about: Have you ever heard about GNOME.Asia? where? a list to choose? 
 181 Sep 14 22:45:39 <SFD_Fred>	sakana: is that a question? ;-)
 182 Sep 14 22:46:00 <pockeylam>	Any suggestions on the GNOME.Asia 2011 event? 
 183 Sep 14 22:46:07 <sakana>	SFD_Fred,  ^^|| 
 184 Sep 14 22:46:41 <yippi>	I think it would be good to have something to entice people to want to come.
 185 Sep 14 22:47:15 <yippi>	for example, if we could get some high profile people to say they will come, then others will want to.
 186 Sep 14 22:47:30 <pockeylam>	yippi, good, we will add that in the introduction
 187 Sep 14 22:47:45 <yippi>	So, perhaps rather than just sending an email to the GNOME release team and the marketing team, it might be good to first have a 1-on-1 discussion with the leaders of the two teams.
 188 Sep 14 22:48:04 <wers>	yippi, sounds good
 189 Sep 14 22:48:17 <sakana>	yippi, agree
 190 Sep 14 22:48:21 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: if we can.. that'd be great
 191 Sep 14 22:48:33 <pockeylam>	yippi, agreed
 192 Sep 14 22:48:34 <yippi>	and perhaps a few other important people in the community (such as people like Owen Taylor, Vincent Untz, Jon McCann, etc.)
 193 Sep 14 22:49:04 <yippi>	Then in the introduction we could use quotes from those people about why others should want to come.
 194 Sep 14 22:49:05 <pockeylam>	yippi, that would be great
 195 Sep 14 22:49:30 <pockeylam>	yippi, sure it will help a lot
 196 Sep 14 22:49:34 <yippi>	Also, I think it would be good to get feedback from a handful of leaders before we move too much further.
 197 Sep 14 22:49:47 <yippi>	if nobody thinks it is a good idea, then perhaps we should think of something else, for example.
 198 Sep 14 22:50:02 <yippi>	but if people are excited, then we know we have a good shot at success.
 199 Sep 14 22:50:10 <utian>	pockeylam, are 6 people above who will become hackfest participants? i thought its for a new guy?
 200 Sep 14 22:50:10 <pockeylam>	yippi, yep
 201 Sep 14 22:50:42 <pockeylam>	utian, we will have both contributors / high profile people and existing contributors of gnome in asia
 202 Sep 14 22:50:58 <yippi>	perhaps it would be good to do the survey, and just send it to the 10 people we most want to attend and see what they think
 203 Sep 14 22:51:15 <yippi>	and if we get good response, widen it to the whole release team, whole marketing team, etc.
 204 Sep 14 22:51:30 <yippi>	perhaps modifying the survey a bit to reflect any feedback we got from the first round.
 205 Sep 14 22:51:51 <pockeylam>	yippi, yep, so we will draft the survey this week and let you help us to talk to them first? 
 206 Sep 14 22:52:35 <yippi>	how much help from me do you need?  Do you need me to provide you with their email addresses or something, or do you need me to pick the people for you?
 207 Sep 14 22:52:55 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: both?
 208 Sep 14 22:53:09 <pockeylam>	yippi, please help to pick them and also provide emails, then i can follow up with them :)
 209 Sep 14 22:53:28 <yippi>	so who do we think are the most important people who should attend?
 210 Sep 14 22:53:53 <pockeylam>	yippi, i want to confirm one thing first
 211 Sep 14 22:53:58 <yippi>	otaylor@redhat.com, mccann@redhat.com.
 212 Sep 14 22:54:05 <pockeylam>	yippi, the hackfest will be more like a marketing hackfest? 
 213 Sep 14 22:54:14 <yippi>	do you really need help with getting the email addresses, that took me like 2 seconds on Google.
 214 Sep 14 22:54:31 <yippi>	we are free to define the hackfest to be what we want it to be.
 215 Sep 14 22:54:31 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: lol
 216 Sep 14 22:54:35 <SFD_Fred>	ok then.. maybe not
 217 Sep 14 22:54:50 <pockeylam>	yippi, haha, thanks!
 218 Sep 14 22:55:06 <yippi>	i'd say paul cutler should be in the first round of people we ask.
 219 Sep 14 22:55:09 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: but what would make sense for a release week? does everyone has something to do?
 220 Sep 14 22:55:17 <yippi>	since he leads the marketing folks, and Vincent from the release team.
 221 Sep 14 22:55:25 <pockeylam>	yippi, how about you suggest some friendly gnome people for us to get feedback? 
 222 Sep 14 22:55:44 *	emily (~emily@221.223.93.189) has joined #asia-summit
 223 Sep 14 22:55:47 <yippi>	i think it would make sense to have an event that is focused on making GNOME 3 successful.  This involves a few things:
 224 Sep 14 22:55:58 <yippi>	1. Actually doing the release.  The marketing and release team will have work to do at this time, obviously.
 225 Sep 14 22:56:23 <yippi>	2. Promoting the release, raising attention to it.  Having people talk about it, educate people about it, etc.
 226 Sep 14 22:56:47 <wers>	hi emily :)
 227 Sep 14 22:56:49 <yippi>	3. Celebrating the release
 228 Sep 14 22:57:30 <yippi>	4. Dealing with technical issues on the way.  Responding to users who need help, have questions
 229 Sep 14 22:57:50 <yippi>	perhaps we should organize a support desk, for example where people can ask questions and get help.
 230 Sep 14 22:58:10 <SFD_Fred>	remotely or on site?
 231 Sep 14 22:58:28 <yippi>	perhaps both
 232 Sep 14 22:58:29 <emily>	hi everyone 
 233 Sep 14 22:58:40 <yippi>	and there's probably other things we can think of
 234 Sep 14 22:58:43 <pockeylam>	yippi, so the hackfest is open for public to join? or just for invitation?
 235 Sep 14 22:58:44 <pockeylam>	emily, hi
 236 Sep 14 22:58:55 <emily>	Happy to join the meeting at the last minute . I am @home now 
 237 Sep 14 22:59:11 <utian>	emily, hi
 238 Sep 14 22:59:16 <pockeylam>	emily, welcome we are talking about the hackfest objectives. and fred kept notes already
 239 Sep 14 22:59:19 <yippi>	i'd say it would make sense to have a weeklong private hackfest and to use a day of the weekend to have some talks open to the public.
 240 Sep 14 22:59:29 <yippi>	perhaps two days of talks over the weekend.
 241 Sep 14 22:59:33 <pockeylam>	yippi, yep, that's exactly what we wanted :)
 242 Sep 14 22:59:40 <sakana>	emily, hi
 243 Sep 14 22:59:42 <pockeylam>	yippi, and also both technical and marketing hackfest 
 244 Sep 14 23:00:14 <yippi>	it could be like "command central" 
 245 Sep 14 23:00:42 <yippi>	we should rent a venue that looks like you could manage a space launch there
 246 Sep 14 23:00:58 <pockeylam>	yippi, LOL
 247 Sep 14 23:01:04 <terral>	heh
 248 Sep 14 23:01:14 <pockeylam>	yippi, space musium in hong kong ;)
 249 Sep 14 23:01:24 <yippi>	then take a lot of photos 
 250 Sep 14 23:01:25 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: oh yes.. talking about that. What does the perfect location look like in terms of rooms, space etc
 251 Sep 14 23:01:38 <yippi>	i think "perfect" means different things to different people
 252 Sep 14 23:01:43 <yippi>	probably most important is price
 253 Sep 14 23:01:47 <yippi>	we want it to be affordable.
 254 Sep 14 23:01:49 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: typical then
 255 Sep 14 23:01:51 <yippi>	or people won't come.
 256 Sep 14 23:02:38 <wers>	yep. making people come is the first priority 
 257 Sep 14 23:02:54 <yippi>	the location would need to be someplace that people from the u.s. or europe will consider coming.
 258 Sep 14 23:03:02 <yippi>	so not too far away.
 259 Sep 14 23:03:05 <yippi>	unless we could work some deal. 
 260 Sep 14 23:03:24 <yippi>	in this bad economy, we might have some pull if we can bring several hundred people to a resort location for example.
 261 Sep 14 23:03:25 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: pockeylam did the pricing survey on flight tickets
 262 Sep 14 23:03:31 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: it's on the wiki
 263 Sep 14 23:03:31 <pockeylam>	yippi, mm i checked some price for reference here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost
 264 Sep 14 23:03:41 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/FlightCost 
 265 Sep 14 23:03:53 <pockeylam>	yippi, basically , india and hong kong are quite similar the flight cost 
 266 Sep 14 23:04:17 <yippi>	if we could get discounts on hotel, etc. in exchange for bringing several hundred guests somewhere then that could put us in the position of offering something like a resort but at inexpensive cost.
 267 Sep 14 23:04:31 <yippi>	might be good to talk with a travel agent and see if we could get a deal
 268 Sep 14 23:05:03 <pockeylam>	yippi, for resorts, maybe indonesian and india are better, utian ?
 269 Sep 14 23:05:21 <SFD_Fred>	several hundred guests?
 270 Sep 14 23:05:55 <utian>	pockeylam, yeah i did survey already for the resort
 271 Sep 14 23:06:14 <utian>	this one
 272 Sep 14 23:06:16 <utian>	http://www.mitrakonservasi.co.id/
 273 Sep 14 23:06:21 <pockeylam>	utian, thanks
 274 Sep 14 23:06:22 <utian>	its located in bogor
 275 Sep 14 23:06:35 <pockeylam>	for hong kong, we have separate island
 276 Sep 14 23:06:38 <SFD_Fred>	utian: the city of rain?
 277 Sep 14 23:06:47 <pockeylam>	utian, it looks nice
 278 Sep 14 23:06:50 <utian>	and i think the price is make sense
 279 Sep 14 23:07:16 <utian>	i mean inexpensive
 280 Sep 14 23:07:24 <yippi>	the prices are a bit high aren't they for travel
 281 Sep 14 23:07:39 <utian>	i am gonna use that place also for indonesia linux conference :D
 282 Sep 14 23:07:50 <utian>	next month
 283 Sep 14 23:07:52 <pockeylam>	yippi, you mean the flight price? 
 284 Sep 14 23:08:19 <SFD_Fred>	utian: are we invited?
 285 Sep 14 23:09:02 <utian>	SFD_Fred, ya bogor is city of rain :D
 286 Sep 14 23:09:04 <wers>	utian, let's also think of how international guest would go to bogor. is it convenient for them to commute to the location from the international airport?
 287 Sep 14 23:09:38 <pockeylam>	utian, can you talk to the resorts about a deal for 100 or several hundreds people? 
 288 Sep 14 23:09:41 <utian>	SFD_Fred, you should come, but no transport sponsor 
 289 Sep 14 23:09:52 <SFD_Fred>	wers: yes quit eok
 290 Sep 14 23:09:53 <emily>	i am in another phone meeting. i will read minutes later 
 291 Sep 14 23:09:55 <SFD_Fred>	quite ok
 292 Sep 14 23:09:59 <pockeylam>	emily, sure
 293 Sep 14 23:10:22 <utian>	wers, its take 2hours from int airport, 2 hours max if theres a trafic jam
 294 Sep 14 23:10:35 <pockeylam>	utian, and what's the resort capacity? 
 295 Sep 14 23:10:42 <utian>	pockeylam, the capacity is for 120 people
 296 Sep 14 23:10:43 <terral>	utian: 2 hours by train,  taxi,  ?
 297 Sep 14 23:10:56 <pockeylam>	utian, but internet needs to pay? :)
 298 Sep 14 23:10:57 <utian>	terral, bus
 299 Sep 14 23:11:04 <pockeylam>	utian, two hours are reasonable
 300 Sep 14 23:11:09 <terral>	ug
 301 Sep 14 23:11:17 <pockeylam>	utian, how's the speed of internet?
 302 Sep 14 23:11:21 <terral>	pockeylam: reasonable,  but its not fun.
 303 Sep 14 23:11:33 <utian>	if trafic ok you only take 1 hours from airport
 304 Sep 14 23:11:33 <pockeylam>	terral, well, cheap place is like this :)
 305 Sep 14 23:11:36 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: max speed: 256 Kbps
 306 Sep 14 23:11:38 <pockeylam>	terral, hehe
 307 Sep 14 23:11:47 <pockeylam>	utian, SFD_Fred, 256 kbps....
 308 Sep 14 23:11:51 <utian>	pockeylam, i'll get the sponsor for the internet
 309 Sep 14 23:11:56 <SFD_Fred>	2 hours is ok if you stay 1 week...
 310 Sep 14 23:12:30 <utian>	pockeylam, , i can get at least 1 mbps
 311 Sep 14 23:12:57 <wers>	I hope, it's also okay for survey respondents..
 312 Sep 14 23:13:05 <pockeylam>	utian, u mean u can get sponsor for the gnome.asia 2011 from sponsors? ;)
 313 Sep 14 23:13:15 <utian>	pockeylam, we not use internet from the resort
 314 Sep 14 23:13:33 <utian>	pockeylam, we gonna get from local isp around the resort
 315 Sep 14 23:14:23 <pockeylam>	utian, but for the resorts idea for gnome.asia we will need to do everything in the resorts, hacking and sleeping
 316 Sep 14 23:14:48 <utian>	pockeylam, for internet sponsor yeah, its the easiest thing for me here :D
 317 Sep 14 23:15:02 <pockeylam>	utian, good
 318 Sep 14 23:15:21 <utian>	pockeylam, yeah i see, if you need to center of city its only take 15-30minutes
 319 Sep 14 23:15:29 <utian>	from the resort
 320 Sep 14 23:15:31 <SFD_Fred>	utian: no swimming pool?
 321 Sep 14 23:15:39 <utian>	mall, cineplex
 322 Sep 14 23:15:41 <pockeylam>	utian, no problem , sounds good
 323 Sep 14 23:15:50 <SFD_Fred>	i hack much better when in the water
 324 Sep 14 23:15:54 <SFD_Fred>	:P
 325 Sep 14 23:16:29 <utian>	SFD_Fred, o ya.. unfortunately no swimming pool
 326 Sep 14 23:16:33 <utian>	SFD_Fred, :D
 327 Sep 14 23:16:47 <utian>	SFD_Fred, i'll do survey another resort
 328 Sep 14 23:16:56 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, it's okay, it rains all the time, u can swin in the mud
 329 Sep 14 23:17:01 <SFD_Fred>	utian: volcano lava then maybe?
 330 Sep 14 23:17:12 <pockeylam>	utian, he was kidding.. 
 331 Sep 14 23:17:12 <SFD_Fred>	mud bath.. ok
 332 Sep 14 23:17:30 <SFD_Fred>	terral: and no no will, we will not have mud fights! ;-)
 333 Sep 14 23:17:33 <pockeylam>	utian, do u think we can get a better offer if we can get 120 people? 
 334 Sep 14 23:17:36 <utian>	SFD_Fred, no... the mountain is incative
 335 Sep 14 23:17:43 <wers>	utian, if it's gonna be in Bali, would it be difficult to organize?
 336 Sep 14 23:17:47 <pockeylam>	utian, how about a conference room(s) for the 1 day weekend conference? 
 337 Sep 14 23:18:14 <SFD_Fred>	wers: problem is local GNOME hackers are scarce I think
 338 Sep 14 23:18:31 <utian>	pockeylam, ya, thereis a package for many people
 339 Sep 14 23:18:32 <SFD_Fred>	wers: closer to a populated area is better
 340 Sep 14 23:18:57 <utian>	conference room is include in the package
 341 Sep 14 23:18:59 <SFD_Fred>	india has nice resorts as well no?
 342 Sep 14 23:19:02 <wers>	SFD_Fred, Bali would be a good "reason to go" for the participants of the 5-day hackfest. I guess, the last conference day would be the tradeoff...
 343 Sep 14 23:19:10 <pockeylam>	utian, so the conference room can sit 120 people? 
 344 Sep 14 23:19:10 <SFD_Fred>	our Indian friend didn't show up... unfortunately 
 345 Sep 14 23:19:30 <pockeylam>	utian, and how about the rooms, how many hotel rooms for guest to sleep ? 
 346 Sep 14 23:19:31 <SFD_Fred>	wers: yeah.. but then what about started a local GNOME UG?
 347 Sep 14 23:19:53 <utian>	for the public conference (last day), i recomend city hall
 348 Sep 14 23:20:09 <utian>	bogor city hall
 349 Sep 14 23:20:35 <pockeylam>	utian, capacity? ;)
 350 Sep 14 23:20:38 <wers>	SFD_Fred, that's going to be a tradeoff if Indonesian GNOME users live or will go to Bogor
 351 Sep 14 23:21:05 <wers>	I mean, if they live in or are willing to travel to Bogor for the conference. same goes for other locations in the country
 352 Sep 14 23:22:01 <pockeylam>	utian, it's okay, you can check later :)
 353 Sep 14 23:22:34 <utian>	pockeylam, 30 rooms and 2 dormitory
 354 Sep 14 23:22:48 <pockeylam>	utian, sounds good 
 355 Sep 14 23:23:08 <utian>	the dormitory 120beds
 356 Sep 14 23:23:19 <utian>	rooms -> 2 or 3 beds
 357 Sep 14 23:23:33 <pockeylam>	utian, i may send you separate emails to ask more questions regarding the venues :)
 358 Sep 14 23:23:55 <pockeylam>	utian, please also see if the internet is good when u have your linux event? 
 359 Sep 14 23:24:13 <utian>	ok pockeylam 
 360 Sep 14 23:24:13 <pockeylam>	utian, when is your event in the resort
 361 Sep 14 23:24:36 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: do Gnome developers share rooms?
 362 Sep 14 23:24:50 <SFD_Fred>	European or American ones
 363 Sep 14 23:25:07 <utian>	wers, Bali is good but difficult to organize
 364 Sep 14 23:25:18 <utian>	i dont have much friend there
 365 Sep 14 23:25:24 <terral>	SFD_Fred: in past conferences, yes depending on who it is.
 366 Sep 14 23:25:49 <yippi>	yes, it's normal to just have 2-3 rooms where hackers can break into groups and work.
 367 Sep 14 23:25:54 <SFD_Fred>	terral: thank you. I have no idea, so I'm asking
 368 Sep 14 23:26:06 <terral>	SFD_Fred: and there has been sharing of space for Boston in the past too
 369 Sep 14 23:26:09 <wers>	utian, ooh. ok
 370 Sep 14 23:26:14 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: 2-3 beds, not rooms ;-)
 371 Sep 14 23:26:28 <pockeylam>	yippi, even at nights , to sleep? they share the same room? 
 372 Sep 14 23:26:30 *	sakana__ (~yaaic@221-120-68-14.dynamic.hinet.net) has joined #asia-summit
 373 Sep 14 23:26:53 <yippi>	yes, it's normal for developers to share rooms
 374 Sep 14 23:27:01 <pockeylam>	yippi, good :)
 375 Sep 14 23:27:04 <SFD_Fred>	yippi: ok.. thanks
 376 Sep 14 23:27:36 <pockeylam>	yippi, so seems indonesia is a choice, and utian will get back to us for the resort package offer for one two hundreds people
 377 Sep 14 23:28:02 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: how much more expensive were the tickets?
 378 Sep 14 23:28:21 <pockeylam>	SFD_Fred, 15 , 20 %
 379 Sep 14 23:28:36 <SFD_Fred>	pockeylam: tx
 380 Sep 14 23:28:49 <pockeylam>	for the ticket prices, i checked from big airline official sites, so their price is not promotional price
 381 Sep 14 23:29:01 <pockeylam>	just for reference... to see the ratio of differences between countries
 382 Sep 14 23:29:10 <wers>	utian, how accessible is the bus from jakarata international airport?
 383 Sep 14 23:29:17 <pockeylam>	so, we have covered most of our agenda of today
 384 Sep 14 23:29:50 <utian>	wers, 24 hours
 385 Sep 14 23:30:14 <wers>	utian, I meant, is it easy to get to the bus station for foreign guests?
 386 Sep 14 23:30:36 <utian>	i'll arange also to pickup participant who need it
 387 Sep 14 23:30:57 <wers>	utian, cool!
 388 Sep 14 23:31:04 <utian>	wers, the bus is in the airport area
 389 Sep 14 23:31:14 <wers>	the challenge will just be the different times of arrival for each participant
 390 Sep 14 23:31:20 <pockeylam>	another AI: we also need to ask BharathAcharya to check for resorts package as venues for a capacity of e.g. 200 
 391 Sep 14 23:32:39 <pockeylam>	so that's it for today? 
 392 Sep 14 23:33:05 <pockeylam>	we can work together on the survey under our wiki : http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia
 393 Sep 14 23:33:09 <utian>	ok, i'll check more about everything here
 394 Sep 14 23:33:20 <pockeylam>	utian, and i will make a page for resort 
 395 Sep 14 23:33:36 <pockeylam>	utian, when you find your wiki account, please update the wiki page :)
 396 Sep 14 23:33:48 <utian>	pockeylam, ok
 397 Sep 14 23:34:11 <wers>	utian, what areas in Indonesia will be easy for you to organize? I can ask some friends about hotels..
 398 Sep 14 23:34:44 <utian>	wers, jakarta, bogor, depok
 399 Sep 14 23:34:52 <wers>	utian, ok. thanks
 400 Sep 14 23:35:26 <pockeylam>	utian, http://live.gnome.org/action/edit/GnomeAsia/ResortVenue
 401 Sep 14 23:36:11 <utian>	ok pockeylam 
 402 Sep 14 23:36:13 <pockeylam>	utian, please put the details inside :) like the link, the offer, internet, conference room capacity, hotel room capacity, hours to airport,  and so on 
 403 Sep 14 23:36:16 <pockeylam>	utian, thanks a lot !
 404 Sep 14 23:36:26 <wers>	ok. do we have anything else to discuss for tonight? :)
 405 Sep 14 23:36:43 <pockeylam>	wers, it's a bit long the meeting, so we will end soon
 406 Sep 14 23:36:47 <wers>	ok
 407 Sep 14 23:36:48 <pockeylam>	wers, anything u want to discuss?
 408 Sep 14 23:37:02 <pockeylam>	anybody has other point to add ? or question to ask?
 409 Sep 14 23:37:05 <wers>	got nothing now
 410 Sep 14 23:37:06 <wers>	so when's the next meeting?
 411 Sep 14 23:37:19 <terral>	wers: next week
 412 Sep 14 23:37:27 <pockeylam>	what do u guys think?
 413 Sep 14 23:37:30 <wers>	terral, same time, I assume?
 414 Sep 14 23:37:33 <pockeylam>	can be either in 1 week or 2 weeks
 415 Sep 14 23:37:47 <terral>	wers: sadly, yes.
 416 Sep 14 23:38:09 <pockeylam>	so, let's say our preference
 417 Sep 14 23:38:16 <wers>	pockeylam, next week
 418 Sep 14 23:38:22 <pockeylam>	you guys prefer next meeting is in one week, or two weeks?
 419 Sep 14 23:38:23 <wers>	we don't have much time. March is near
 420 Sep 14 23:38:29 <pockeylam>	wers, good :)
 421 Sep 14 23:38:35 <sakana__>	one week
 422 Sep 14 23:38:40 <pockeylam>	great :)
 423 Sep 14 23:38:45 <pockeylam>	so we will have meeting next tuesday, same time
 424 Sep 14 23:38:48 <utian>	every tuesday ok with me
 425 Sep 14 23:38:51 <utian>	ok
 426 Sep 14 23:38:53 <pockeylam>	21 Sep 2010 
 427 Sep 14 23:38:59 <emily>	OK, who is the next one to take note ? 
 428 Sep 14 23:39:15 <pockeylam>	UTN 1400
 429 Sep 14 23:39:42 <pockeylam>	checking
 430 Sep 14 23:39:54 <pockeylam>	will :)
 431 Sep 14 23:39:59 <pockeylam>	terral, u re the next one to take note ;)
 432 Sep 14 23:40:00 <emily>	will 
 433 Sep 14 23:40:02 <emily>	hehe 
 434 Sep 14 23:40:05 <pockeylam>	LOL
 435 Sep 14 23:40:11 <terral>	yes, I read.
 436 Sep 14 23:40:12 <emily>	terral !!! 
 437 Sep 14 23:40:56 <pockeylam>	terral, don't go to another empty room
 438 Sep 14 23:40:58 <pockeylam>	terral, ok? ;)
 439 Sep 14 23:41:01 <pockeylam>	terral, LOL
 440 Sep 14 23:41:16 <pockeylam>	so, we are closing the meeting here
 441 Sep 14 23:41:20 <pockeylam>	thank you everybody
 442 Sep 14 23:41:27 <pockeylam>	fred will send out meeting minutes later
 443 Sep 14 23:41:28 <terral>	pockeylam: yea that was irritating.
 444 Sep 14 23:41:31 <pockeylam>	and upload log online
 445 Sep 14 23:41:33 <sakana__>	thanks
 446 Sep 14 23:41:44 <utian>	thank you all
 447 Sep 14 23:41:45 <wers>	g'night/morning folks
 448 Sep 14 23:41:47 <pockeylam>	see you next week!