1 16:06:24 <joanie> #startmeeting
   2 16:06:24 <tota11y> Meeting started Thu Sep 19 16:06:24 2013 CET.  The chair is joanie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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   4 16:06:30 <joanie> #topic GSoC updates
   5 16:06:36 <joanie> floor is yours magpie2 and clown
   6 16:06:37 <magpie2> clown?
   7 16:06:46 <magpie2> wanna go first?
   8 16:07:00 <clown> sure
   9 16:07:43 <clown> #info Magdalen has made progress on the UI additions for the universal access panel for the system settings (gnome-control-center).
  10 16:08:00 <clown> actually, that's all I have.  You can probably expand on that, magpie2
  11 16:08:12 <magpie2> #action Magdalen will file a bug about the ui
  12 16:08:35 <clown> and attach you glade file?
  13 16:08:39 <clown> *your
  14 16:08:48 <clown> good idea
  15 16:08:55 <joanie> we should probably (constructively) mention the current state w.r.t. that last-minute change
  16 16:09:08 <magpie2> #info A. Day said it would be unlikely my proposal for the ui would be accepted into 3.10 but he seemed to like the look. Magdalen hopes to find more out when filing the bug
  17 16:09:31 <magpie2> minute change joanie?
  18 16:09:32 <clown> yes, mark it as "work in progress".
  19 16:09:38 <joanie> ?
  20 16:09:57 <clown> was that "?" for me, joanie?
  21 16:10:01 <joanie> sorry
  22 16:10:03 <joanie> still waking up
  23 16:10:12 <joanie> magpie2: what did you mean by "minute change"?
  24 16:10:36 <jjmarin> aday told me he thinks we can do it for 3.12
  25 16:11:07 <magpie2> #info A. Day was asking about the GSettings and what they are for. He wanted to speak to joanie about that Magdalen suggests Joseph could talk to him as well to help clarify that
  26 16:11:43 <magpie2> same jjmarin but i am not sure why 3.11 is not a good bet
  27 16:11:48 <clown> sure.  I can probably pirate some things from an email I sent to the mentors explaining what the different modes meant.
  28 16:11:56 <joanie> magpie2: 3.11 is 3.12 :)
  29 16:11:56 <magpie2> unless bigger changes might be in the subtext
  30 16:12:04 <joanie> just like 3.9 is 3.10
  31 16:12:12 <clown> 3.11 is the beta release of 3.12
  32 16:12:12 <magpie2> oh
  33 16:12:20 <joanie> odd numbers mean unstable. Once it's blessed for stable it becomes even
  34 16:12:21 <clown> not the official release
  35 16:12:22 <magpie2> cool thanks for clarifying
  36 16:12:47 <magpie2> my ui doesn't work yet
  37 16:12:56 <joanie> magpie2: it wasn't expected to btw :)
  38 16:13:03 <clown> not expected magpie2
  39 16:13:10 * clown there's an echo in here
  40 16:13:24 <magpie2> but between clown and joanie's advice the only reason for that is time rather than anything
  41 16:13:31 <magpie2> sorry let me info that
  42 16:13:39 <clown> right.  time is our enemy
  43 16:13:46 * clown my, how pithy
  44 16:15:38 * joanie is waiting for the info
  45 16:16:20 <magpie2> #info Joseph told Magdalen she has delivered the coding deliverables by completing a suggested glade ui prototype but Magdalen is going to try to get it working with the GSettings since Joanie and Joseph have given good guidance to help get that done. However she is started at university this week and has a lot of time constraints so it may have to be fully working after GSoC in case the time runs out.
  46 16:16:28 <magpie2> was that clear?
  47 16:16:31 <magpie2> i'm not sure
  48 16:16:34 * joanie reads
  49 16:16:44 <magpie2> anyway I better summerise the code of the project?
  50 16:16:45 <joanie> yes it is clear to me
  51 16:16:50 <magpie2> the deliverable codes
  52 16:16:59 <magpie2> with links?
  53 16:17:05 <joanie> you could
  54 16:17:23 <magpie2> #info the deliverable codes completed thus far are the following links
  55 16:17:43 <magpie2> anyone who wants to help this bit feel free i'm starting with the pyatspi
  56 16:18:36 <magpie2> #link https://git.gnome.org/browse/pyatspi2/commit/?id=820712e21fb3797cd48c01f94499f502567ee73d
  57 16:18:54 <magpie2> #link https://git.gnome.org/browse/pyatspi2/commit/?id=192638bfd0eeb446c14d5be6247fc474ee664ba0
  58 16:19:13 <magpie2> #link https://git.gnome.org/browse/pyatspi2/commit/?id=2c38851a74cf3fe6a634449f6f681d8758d0ea7a
  59 16:19:36 <magpie2> thee's a bug in review too
  60 16:19:59 <clown> magpie2:  were those commits from a patch attached to some bug in bugzilla?
  61 16:20:20 <clown> or, from patches
  62 16:20:22 <magpie2> yes
  63 16:20:36 <magpie2> #link https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=707693
  64 16:20:36 <tota11y> 04Bug 707693: normal, Normal, ---, at-spi-maint, UNCONFIRMED, caret.py example needs to be improved.
  65 16:20:51 <clown> for GSoC code submission, I advise taking those patches, and tar'ing them all up and submitting the tarball to GSoC.
  66 16:21:01 * clown looks at the reqirements
  67 16:21:04 <magpie2> ok thank you clown
  68 16:21:21 <clown> "All students will need to add files, which can include source files, a single .diff file, multiple .diff files, binary files, etc., to their project in Melange. "
  69 16:21:22 <magpie2> can you action that to save time while i grab the rest of the links?
  70 16:21:32 <clown> sure.
  71 16:22:23 <clown> #action for GSoC code submission, Magdalen will take all of her submitted patches that were committed from gnome's bugzilla, tar them up, and sent the tarball to GSoC.
  72 16:22:28 <mgorse> magpie2: I'm sorry; I forgot to review that patch. Thanks for the reminder.
  73 16:22:55 <clown> did that action make sense to everyone?
  74 16:23:02 <joanie> I think so clown
  75 16:23:12 <joanie> I can only speak for myself however :)
  76 16:23:22 <clown> GSoC says "diff" files, but I think patches are essentially diff files.
  77 16:23:35 <magpie2> #link https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705652
  78 16:23:35 <tota11y> 04Bug 705652: normal, Normal, ---, gsettings-desktop-schemas-maint, RESOLVED FIXED, Add GSettings for focus and caret tracking in GNOME Shell
  79 16:24:02 <clown> #link GSoC code submission guidelines:  http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2013/codeguidelines
  80 16:24:51 <magpie2> #link  https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/js/ui/magnifier.js?id=9d8f30f955fcd15a509a19310c0e946f13eca3a6
  81 16:25:26 <magpie2> Should I include misc contributions that happen during summer?
  82 16:25:41 <clown> joanie, do you think there are any intellectual property issues here — giving the code to Google?
  83 16:25:55 <joanie> I do not clown
  84 16:25:58 <magpie2> i have another g-s patch for their jhbuild examples i did but have still to patch
  85 16:26:02 <joanie> it's within the license
  86 16:26:04 <clown> i guess it's publically avaialbe under GPL.
  87 16:26:09 <joanie> exactly
  88 16:26:10 <clown> *available
  89 16:26:21 <magpie2> clown they allow students the rights the their code i think
  90 16:26:42 <magpie2> it still must be free and open source
  91 16:26:43 <clown> sure, but what rights to they get by getting a copy?
  92 16:26:54 <magpie2> I can get a link for that if needed
  93 16:26:55 <clown> right.  It is goverend by the GPL.
  94 16:26:56 <joanie> magpie2: what about the big fix (the tracking implementation bug)
  95 16:27:02 <joanie> you but the small ones
  96 16:27:06 <joanie> s/but/put/
  97 16:27:08 <magpie2> oh
  98 16:27:12 <joanie> silly
  99 16:27:13 <joanie> :)
 100 16:27:18 <magpie2> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/js/ui/magnifier.js?id=9d8f30f955fcd15a509a19310c0e946f13eca3a6
 101 16:27:20 <clown> don't want to forget that one  ;-)
 102 16:27:21 <magpie2> gsettings too
 103 16:27:32 <magpie2> sorry
 104 16:27:37 <magpie2> #link https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/js/ui/magnifier.js?id=9d8f30f955fcd15a509a19310c0e946f13eca3a6
 105 16:27:40 <clown> and the one your are going to do for the UI
 106 16:28:02 <clown> the glade file patch.
 107 16:28:04 <magpie2> i have not even put that on github :/
 108 16:28:23 <clown> ok
 109 16:28:27 <magpie2> #info the code for the ui is not up on github or git.gnome
 110 16:28:31 <clown> you will get to it, I imagine.
 111 16:28:57 <magpie2> #action Magdalen will do the github today in case the ui is not fully woking before mo
 112 16:29:04 <magpie2> mon for the bug
 113 16:29:35 <magpie2> #info correction: in case the ui is not fully working for the gnome-control-center ui bug Magdalen is filing today
 114 16:30:01 <magpie2> sorry i should have put that as one info
 115 16:30:12 * magpie2 getting the gsettings patch
 116 16:30:21 <clown> magpie2:  even if the code isn't working, it's worthwhile putting the new ui in the bug as a indication of the direction we are going, for the designers to have a look at.
 117 16:30:45 <magpie2> i was just going to put the picture until such a time i got it working?
 118 16:31:06 <clown> you could that too.  Or, a picture and the .ui file
 119 16:31:13 <magpie2> becuase the code is not complete underneith but it does'nt affect the look
 120 16:31:35 <clown> Yes, but the designers might want to play with it in glade.
 121 16:31:47 <clown> they can't do that with a picture.
 122 16:32:17 <clown> but, it's up to you.  that's just my advice.
 123 16:32:37 <magpie2> #action Magdalen will maybe add the code link to my github and say that it is not complete and upload the pictures for today and try to get a patch ready before mon
 124 16:32:50 <magpie2> /my/her
 125 16:34:10 * joanie waits to see if there is anything else
 126 16:34:16 <magpie2> #agreed we made a very good timeline for gsoc and the mentors should be proud
 127 16:34:26 <magpie2> gsettings
 128 16:34:57 <magpie2> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gsettings-desktop-schemas/commit/schemas?id=3e7aaf2f0fe2f0c98a01cbdad0a74bc079390f89
 129 16:35:01 <magpie2> and bug
 130 16:35:12 <magpie2> and a couple others but they can wait if we are running over
 131 16:35:37 <magpie2> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=705652
 132 16:35:37 <tota11y> 04Bug 705652: normal, Normal, ---, gsettings-desktop-schemas-maint, RESOLVED FIXED, Add GSettings for focus and caret tracking in GNOME Shell
 133 16:36:29 <magpie2> #action Magdalen will also put the ui snaps on the wiki and make sure all work completed during the GSoC is properly referenced to make things easier
 134 16:36:38 <magpie2> clown
 135 16:36:42 <clown> yes?
 136 16:36:45 <magpie2> you actually make a good point though
 137 16:36:55 * clown wonders never cease
 138 16:37:13 <magpie2> will it be a problem for google that you initially wrote the tracker code and i adapted it or are they expecting stuff like that?
 139 16:38:14 <magpie2> it's too late now to think about that i guess but i am suddenly fretting that could make it fail?
 140 16:38:28 <clown> well, Jasper made changes too, didn't he?
 141 16:38:36 <magpie2> i mean this is open source work right
 142 16:38:46 <clown> I don't think that matters.  You did work on it.  Your ideas are in there.
 143 16:38:48 <magpie2> nothing is from scratch for most projects
 144 16:39:17 <magpie2> ok yeah common sense tells me you are right
 145 16:39:31 <magpie2> oh
 146 16:39:33 <magpie2> 1
 147 16:39:48 <clown> 1?
 148 16:41:25 * clown waiting for magpie2
 149 16:41:31 <magpie2> #action Magdalen is to finish a 'final GSoC' blog contribution to the planet feed and she will base that around the ui work and include the things she learned from Joseph and Joanie recently, in that post so it explains about about the accessibility control center ui and how that should work.
 150 16:42:43 <magpie2> #info Magdalen thinks the Admin, Mentors and the G-S team (especially Jasper) have been really, very amazing and she is delighted to have been able to learn from their expertise this summer.
 151 16:42:53 <magpie2> it was an honour :-)
 152 16:43:13 <joanie> soooo... I know we're going long, but I have one other thing
 153 16:43:15 <joanie> 16:08:55 <@joanie> we should probably (constructively) mention the current state w.r.t. that last-minute change
 154 16:43:24 <magpie2> yes
 155 16:43:46 <magpie2> i was going to get to that but then I got carried away with the happy stuff
 156 16:43:47 <joanie> mgorse: any updates on the freeze problem?
 157 16:44:07 <magpie2> let me get the links
 158 16:44:13 <magpie2> it's important
 159 16:44:20 <clown> #info there was a commit to the magnifier code that disabled the initialization of atspi on the condition that the magnifier was not used.
 160 16:44:22 <mgorse> If you mean whether I have a patch finished and sent to the release-team, then, unfortunately, no
 161 16:44:56 <clown> #info  apparently, the desktop freezes for 30 sec when atspi is running if the Display control panel is accessed.
 162 16:45:09 * mgorse waits
 163 16:45:11 <magpie2> mgorse: one of the things I want to do this week is help you with that actually
 164 16:45:29 <joanie> magpie2: let's first get the status in the meeting minutes
 165 16:45:35 <clown> #info there was much discussion about whether this commt should be reverted, while mgorse is working on fixing atspi.
 166 16:45:45 <magpie2> I sort of left thinking things have been resolved but the patch is not reverted i see
 167 16:45:48 <clown> that's all I've got in terms of my understanding.  mgorse?
 168 16:46:20 <magpie2> ok
 169 16:47:19 <mgorse> #info gnome-shell can deadlock if a process calls it via D-Bus while gnome-shell is trying to make an AT-SPI call to that other process via D-Bus
 170 16:48:23 <magpie2> #info Magdalen found out that atspi had a bug yesterday after finding the default atspi initialisatin had been removed yesterday and told joanie and mgorse. Mike is infoing his progress
 171 16:48:47 <mgorse> #info it is exasperated by a hack made to AT-SPI a while ago that makes it not time out on a call for up to 15 seconds fo ran app that immediately started
 172 16:49:44 <magpie2> #info Magdalen Jasper Mike, Joseph, Giovanni and Joanie discussed this yesterday
 173 16:49:49 <mgorse> #info mgorse is working on a patch that makes AT-SPI calls enter a main loop, rather than just dispatching D-Bus messages, and thinks that this is safe, but any change of that sort seems to have a bit of risk
 174 16:50:13 <mgorse> okay; done, I think
 175 16:50:21 <magpie2> mgorse
 176 16:50:51 <magpie2> can you please tell us your action for it and more about the 'risk'
 177 16:51:14 <mgorse> I plan on making a freeze break request once I have a patch working
 178 16:51:26 <mgorse> mostly I'm worried that there is some case that I hadn't thought of
 179 16:51:42 <mgorse> like the one that Giovani found was something that I hadn't thought about
 180 16:51:48 <magpie2> #info if the patch is not fixed there is a danger the feature will not be working in 3.10 as planned.
 181 16:52:04 <clown> "the feature"  which feature?
 182 16:52:26 <mgorse> The other option, I think, would be to change those timeout values. They are configurable. But that would just reduce the delay, not eliminate it
 183 16:52:28 <magpie2> mgorse: we will worry about the current problem and if another one crops up deal with that but i can help you there as much as you need
 184 16:52:59 <magpie2> even if it's just dumping stuff and running tests while you look at code to speed things up
 185 16:53:08 <mgorse> Anyway, yeah, I plan on submitting a freeze break request, so I thin kit's up to the release team whether it goes in
 186 16:53:26 <magpie2> my ui stuff will take but 10 mins so im free
 187 16:54:24 <magpie2> did gnome-shell say what their plan was?
 188 16:54:48 <magpie2> maybe we should ask for a Jasper comment?
 189 16:54:55 <joanie> magpie2: not during this meeting
 190 16:55:02 <joanie> it sounds like things are moving forward
 191 16:55:13 <joanie> and all we can do is progress one step at a time
 192 16:55:17 <magpie2> i was worried about the suggestion to remove the tracker
 193 16:55:18 <joanie> mgorse: thanks for looking into this!
 194 16:55:35 <clown> yes, mgorse, thanks.
 195 16:55:42 <joanie> okkkkkaaaaaay
 196 16:55:48 <magpie2> i think that would be a terrible thing
 197 16:55:52 <joanie> 50 minutes of gsoc updates
 198 16:55:57 <joanie> in a 60 minute meeting ;)
 199 16:55:59 <magpie2> oh
 200 16:56:01 <magpie2> sorry
 201 16:56:03 <joanie> mind you, it needed to be said
 202 16:56:06 <joanie> all of it
 203 16:56:07 <magpie2> yes it did
 204 16:56:11 <joanie> but I think now is time to move on
 205 16:56:22 <joanie> #topic Other 3.10 updates/issues
 206 16:56:31 <magpie2> sorry about that i just sort of left yesterday thinking it was sorted and that was clearly wrong
 207 16:56:41 <magpie2> me me me
 208 16:56:44 <joanie> #info In general we seem to have caught all the accessibility-related regressions
 209 16:56:51 <magpie2> ok
 210 16:56:56 * magpie2 listening
 211 16:56:57 <joanie> (modulo the atspi freeze in gnome-shell)
 212 16:57:24 <joanie> #info But Frederic Peters caught a gui issue https://people.gnome.org/~fpeters/a11y-zoom-prefs.png
 213 16:57:33 <joanie> #action Joanie will investigate this today
 214 16:57:42 <joanie> another 3.10 stuff?
 215 16:57:47 * joanie yields the floor
 216 16:57:52 <magpie2> i have a one
 217 16:58:06 <joanie> magpie2: ok
 218 16:59:52 <joanie> magpie2: ok == what is it?
 219 16:59:53 <magpie2> #info Magdalen has been rethinking her post-gsoc TODO goals and following the conversations yesterday she would like to try to learn something from mgorse and try to make sure all the atspi codes that need to be in javascript for gnome-shell are working as they should and asks for Mike's thought on that possibility
 220 16:59:55 <joanie> oh
 221 16:59:57 <joanie> thanks
 222 16:59:58 <joanie> :)
 223 17:00:07 <joanie> magpie2: that is not a 3.10 issue
 224 17:00:21 <magpie2> it is until atspi is fixed isn't it?
 225 17:00:25 <magpie2> maybe not sorry
 226 17:00:31 <magpie2> what issue is it?
 227 17:00:32 <joanie> magpie2: that was discussed last topic
 228 17:00:35 <jjmarin> I think the online account of the gnome-initial-setup is still no keybnav, if you don't press Next the first time, you won't move of this screen
 229 17:00:43 <magpie2> no i mean the methods
 230 17:00:45 <joanie> until we have mgorse's patch, we need to wait
 231 17:00:48 <magpie2> the full api
 232 17:01:08 <joanie> jjmarin: can you verify that and file it?
 233 17:01:23 <joanie> having tested with a fully updated jhbuld environment
 234 17:01:28 <magpie2> i want to make sure the API is checked
 235 17:01:36 <jjmarin> joanie: sure. I'm doing now :-)
 236 17:01:40 <joanie> thanks!!
 237 17:02:09 <magpie2> i can help with that too if needed jjmarin
 238 17:02:20 <joanie> magpie2: you need to focus on your work
 239 17:02:27 <joanie> jjmarin can do this
 240 17:02:30 <joanie> and/or I can
 241 17:02:40 <jjmarin> magpie2: yes, I can do it :-)
 242 17:02:48 <jjmarin> thanks anyway :-)
 243 17:02:58 <magpie2> ok i will finish my timetable
 244 17:03:13 <magpie2> should we move on?
 245 17:03:16 <joanie> so, other "issues" (aka bugs that were introduced this cycle that are not yet fixed)
 246 17:03:27 <joanie> magpie2: when we are ready to move on, I'll move us on
 247 17:03:29 <mgorse> Probably. The ones we don't know about :)
 248 17:03:35 <joanie> mgorse: hehe
 249 17:03:36 <magpie2> only the GSoC atpsi one that i know of
 250 17:03:51 <magpie2> oh also people need to have an up to date
 251 17:04:06 <joanie> magpie2: is that an "issue"
 252 17:04:06 <magpie2> atspi because it's a runtime dependencyy
 253 17:04:34 <joanie> anyhoo, I'm going to move on
 254 17:04:36 <magpie2> so some people with atspi that is older will see the bug i was suffering around GUADEC times with running it
 255 17:04:46 <joanie> #topic "Boston" Summit and the possibility of Wayland Accessibility Hacking
 256 17:05:33 <joanie> #info If you are planning on coming to the summit, you need to add yourself to the wiki page: https://wiki.gnome.org/Montreal2013/Participants
 257 17:05:52 <joanie> if you need sponsorship, you need to fill out the table https://wiki.gnome.org/Montreal2013/travelsponsorship
 258 17:05:58 <magpie2> ok I can't afford that
 259 17:05:58 <joanie> #info if you need sponsorship, you need to fill out the table https://wiki.gnome.org/Montreal2013/travelsponsorship
 260 17:06:07 <joanie> magpie2: you are not doing wayland a11y hacking
 261 17:06:33 <joanie> anything else specific to this topic that needs to be stated?
 262 17:06:36 <magpie2> after the gsoc i want to for click lock
 263 17:06:55 <magpie2> and i'm going to talk to ged and francesco about mousetweaks
 264 17:07:00 <joanie> sure
 265 17:07:05 <joanie> sounds like a plan :)
 266 17:07:12 <joanie> #topic W3C updates
 267 17:07:14 <joanie> clown: ?
 268 17:07:26 <clown> info'ing...
 269 17:08:16 <clown> #info No news specifically from W3C, but in ARIA-related news, Joseph will giving a talk at the jQuery accessibility summit Oct 10-11
 270 17:08:22 <joanie> yay!
 271 17:08:23 <clown> #link http://www.deque.com/deque-partners-jquery-create-accessibility-summit
 272 17:08:31 <clown> done.
 273 17:08:37 <joanie> I actually have something too ;)
 274 17:08:56 <joanie> #info Joanie has requested, and appears very like to get, "Invited Expert" status
 275 17:09:06 <clown> cool!
 276 17:09:12 <magpie2> that's awesome
 277 17:09:20 <jjmarin> sound good !!!
 278 17:09:30 <mgorse> For what committee? That should be useful, anyhow
 279 17:09:34 <joanie> #info Joanie will be looking at current "mappings" for HTML and ARIA with the aim of adding new API to ATK/AT-SPI2 where needed for better a11y support
 280 17:09:37 <magpie2> what happens to univited experts? :)
 281 17:09:46 <joanie> they are ignored
 282 17:09:51 <joanie> by the W3C
 283 17:09:54 <joanie> and problems result
 284 17:09:58 <joanie> ;)
 285 17:10:15 <joanie> clown: I expect you and I will be doing some coordination
 286 17:10:21 <magpie2> lol well they have you and joseph now so it'll be ok
 287 17:10:23 <joanie> once I get going
 288 17:10:28 <clown> perhaps.  I don't actually work on HTML (yet).
 289 17:10:36 <joanie> but you do on ARIA
 290 17:10:42 <joanie> and when we have new roles, states, etc.
 291 17:10:55 <joanie> that will mean changes to W3C documents
 292 17:10:57 <joanie> and mappings
 293 17:11:01 <joanie> and best practices
 294 17:11:02 <joanie> etc.
 295 17:11:03 <clown> yes.  Will you be focussing on HTML5?
 296 17:11:07 <joanie> also the verification tests
 297 17:11:11 <joanie> I will be focusing on it all
 298 17:11:22 <clown> your head will explode!  :-)
 299 17:11:26 <joanie> nah
 300 17:11:32 <joanie> ok, so moving on
 301 17:11:36 <magpie2> I'm going to be asking you two a lot of questions about this later on
 302 17:11:38 <joanie> #topic Marketing
 303 17:11:56 <jjmarin> #info The release notes for GNOME 3.10 are done, and now it is in the translation phase
 304 17:12:01 <joanie> yay!
 305 17:12:04 <magpie2> wohoo
 306 17:12:06 <jjmarin> #info Unfortunately, the magnifier's focus and caret tracking notes have been dropped because the lack of GUI
 307 17:12:12 <jjmarin> :/
 308 17:12:16 <magpie2> boo
 309 17:12:18 <jjmarin> #info The accessibility bits has been consolidated with the rest of the notes, instead of having a separated section
 310 17:12:29 <jjmarin> you can check the release notes in https://help.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.10/
 311 17:12:31 <magpie2> they weren't in the g-s ones already
 312 17:12:36 <jjmarin> gnome / 3.10
 313 17:13:01 <jjmarin> that's all
 314 17:13:06 <magpie2> is it a subrelease when it's 3.9.91?
 315 17:13:08 <joanie> great thanks!
 316 17:13:25 <jjmarin> no, just 3.10
 317 17:13:32 <joanie> #topic Miscellaneous Time
 318 17:13:34 <jjmarin> :-)
 319 17:13:44 <magpie2> they sent the release note with the subreleases though
 320 17:13:44 <joanie> we're over the meeting end time
 321 17:13:49 <joanie> anything that must be said?
 322 17:13:53 <magpie2> yes
 323 17:14:10 <magpie2> the mgorse work isn't that 3.10 issue rather than a GSoC one?
 324 17:14:19 <joanie> magpie2: it's both
 325 17:14:22 <joanie> so why repeat it?
 326 17:14:35 <clown> jjmarin, I'm being asked for a username/password.
 327 17:14:48 <jjmarin> gnome / 3.10
 328 17:14:56 <clown> "ask release-team@gnome.org for the password"
 329 17:14:59 <clown> oh, thanks.
 330 17:15:05 <jjmarin> it's a secret
 331 17:15:07 <jjmarin> :)
 332 17:15:10 <magpie2> well i'm not sure it was put in the right spot but that's ok
 333 17:15:31 <joanie> magpie2: the topic even began with "Other"
 334 17:15:35 <clown> not working, jjmarin
 335 17:15:40 <joanie> anyhooo
 336 17:15:42 <joanie> #endmeeting