18:16:05 <stoney> #startmeeting 18:16:05 <tota11y> Meeting started Mon Aug 5 18:16:05 2013 CET. The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:16:05 <tota11y> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:16:11 <stoney> wuhoo! 18:16:26 <stoney> Who is actually here? 18:16:31 <Dark_Rose> I'm present 18:16:34 <amber> here 18:16:35 <stoney> :) 18:17:04 <stoney> I'm sure if we poked j o a n i e, she's probably there 18:17:11 <Dark_Rose> probably lol 18:17:15 <stoney> we'll let her sleep unless we need here 18:17:37 <stoney> heidi said she'll be in a little late (around this time) 18:17:41 <Dark_Rose> ok 18:17:42 <stoney> but we won't wait for her 18:17:47 <stoney> and logan won't be here 18:17:54 <stoney> I think he sent an email to everyone 18:17:57 <stoney> true? 18:18:02 <Dark_Rose> I got one from him 18:18:17 <amber> no? 18:18:19 <stoney> amber: did you get logan's email? 18:18:21 <stoney> oh... 18:18:33 <stoney> i need to forward that to you then 18:18:42 <stoney> #action forward logan's email to amber 18:18:57 <stoney> it explained his progress to date 18:19:17 <stoney> so, updates 18:19:21 <stoney> #topic updats 18:19:34 <stoney> ok... different spelling, but it will work :) 18:19:47 <stoney> who would like to start? 18:20:01 <stoney> or everyone could just post a one liner 18:20:02 <stoney> :) 18:20:14 <Dark_Rose> I finished the Gtk deprecation problems last week. Now I am waiting to hear from Heidi about what to do with the Wiki. 18:20:16 <stoney> hi heidi ! 18:20:26 <Dark_Rose> hello! 18:20:27 <heidi> I'm here. 18:20:29 <heidi> :-) 18:20:37 <amber> the docs are up and written in mallard, i changed the status page to look better and im trying to figure out logans branch (maybe his email will help) 18:20:42 <heidi> I've been away for the weekend so I'm just catching up. 18:21:38 <stoney> I haven't been focussed on moustrap, so I haven't done anything since last time. 18:21:56 <stoney> #topic discussion 18:22:06 <heidi> Dark_Rose, are you going to work on MouseTrap before Weds? 18:22:39 <Dark_Rose> probably not, I am only at OIT until noon tomorrow and I am working the whole day today 18:22:46 <stoney> amber: what branch are your documentation changes in? 18:22:53 <amber> master 18:23:08 <stoney> all: keep talking... I don't mind cross-talk :) 18:23:30 <heidi> OK, so I've got a day to figure out where to direct you next. 18:23:34 <heidi> Dark_Rose: I'll get back to you. 18:23:54 <stoney> amber: OK, have you talked with j oanie about committing this to the main repository? 18:24:05 <Dark_Rose> ok, thanks :) just shoot me an email, I sent you one last week with my questions so you can reply to that one if you want 18:24:12 <stoney> amber: or maybe that should be heidi :) 18:24:35 <amber> i think we should keep it down 18:24:46 <heidi> Umm, I guess I'm the maintainer of the main GNOME repository. 18:24:46 <stoney> why? 18:24:48 <amber> until we finish coding 18:24:56 <amber> b/c there will need to be changes 18:24:58 <heidi> So yes, I'm the person to ping when we've got a version we want to upload. 18:25:06 <stoney> ah, ok 18:25:19 <stoney> thanks heidi :) 18:25:44 <heidi> stoney: I think you and I'll need to sit down and figure out exactly how to it that though. 18:25:51 <heidi> I haven't touched the GNOME repo. 18:26:01 * stoney wonders if logan_test should have the documentation or just wait until he is done 18:26:19 <stoney> heidi: sure :) 18:26:24 <stoney> if you can catch me :) 18:26:26 <stoney> lol 18:26:28 <heidi> Right! :-) 18:26:45 <Dark_Rose> if we don't personally need the documentation I think we don't have to worry about putting the code and documentation together yet 18:26:46 <amber> when he merges into master he will have it 18:27:01 <amber> (which eventually happens anyway) 18:27:11 <stoney> sounds good 18:27:15 <Dark_Rose> but at the same time, it might be good to have it in the branch everyone is working in so that we all know what is written there and suggest changes when needed 18:27:37 <amber> why are we all working in the same branch? 18:27:59 <stoney> we could ask logan to pull changes from the master (i.e., git merge master) 18:28:05 <Dark_Rose> we have all been copying down logan_test so that we are all on the same page 18:28:21 <amber> yes but we should probably create a branch based on his 18:28:26 <amber> and merge in his changes to ours 18:28:56 <stoney> what is in "ours" that isn't in his? 18:29:14 <amber> your personal changes to the branch 18:29:18 <amber> your commit 18:29:49 * stoney thinking 18:29:52 <amber> it just gets messy if someone forgets to commit changes and were all working on the same branch 18:30:14 <stoney> right... 18:31:05 * stoney trying to think of a good workflow here 18:31:23 <stoney> the problem is that each of us keep creating branches 18:31:27 <stoney> and then doing lots of work 18:31:37 <stoney> without committing back to some main-line 18:31:47 <amber> well we could consider logans branch the "master" 18:31:49 <stoney> then we ultimately have to do a big merge 18:31:55 <heidi> I think that's a good idea. 18:32:03 <amber> and we could be responsible to merge every so often 18:32:04 <stoney> or our individual branches become stale 18:32:12 <stoney> amber: that's what I'm thinking 18:32:28 <heidi> :-) version control at its best! 18:32:36 <Dark_Rose> I have to wait on Heidi for Wednesday so I have my next step, I have to go, ttyl 18:32:48 <amber> byes 18:32:50 <stoney> alright, bye Dark_Rose 18:33:07 <heidi> Stoney, do you have a direction for Dark_Rose? 18:33:24 <heidi> Otherwise I'm thinking I'll set her to doing wiki gardening on foss2serve 18:33:29 <stoney> heidi: you were thinking of having here garden the wiki? 18:33:36 <stoney> oic 18:33:53 <stoney> yes, I think assigning here to the wiki would be great 18:34:23 <heidi> Yes. :-) 18:34:43 <stoney> #agreed assign Dark_Rose to the wiki 18:34:49 <stoney> :) 18:34:51 <heidi> I was actually thinking of having her move a bunch of course materials from the old softhum wiki to foss2serve. 18:34:53 <heidi> :-) 18:35:00 <stoney> cool 18:36:15 <stoney> #agreed logan_test is the current main development branch; we'll branch from his, but merge back more frequently 18:36:31 <amber> make sure we are git fetching 18:36:35 <heidi> Right. 18:36:54 <stoney> yes, to make sure you have his latest? 18:37:07 <amber> to know if he made updates 18:37:17 <stoney> right 18:37:44 <stoney> #agreed regularly `git checkout logan_test; git fetch` to see what is new 18:38:03 <stoney> could just do a full pull on his branch 18:38:17 <stoney> since we shouldn't be working in his branch locally 18:38:18 <amber> i wonder if you could do a "git pull logan_test" from your branch? 18:38:25 <stoney> might be able to 18:38:32 <amber> might just have to merge 18:38:43 <stoney> then you'll still need to merge logan_test into yours 18:39:16 <stoney> but then you want to get yours back to him ASAP before he makes another change 18:39:20 <stoney> which is another issue... 18:39:47 <stoney> do you want to merge into his branch directly, or should we make pull requests to logan_test? 18:40:28 <heidi> That might depend on the change? 18:40:33 <stoney> (I'm leaning to the latter) 18:40:48 <heidi> I'm guessing that documentation changes could be merged, but code changes would be trickier. 18:40:48 <amber> what do you mean by pulls to logan_test 18:41:20 <stoney> via github... you can make a pull request from one branch to another 18:41:34 <stoney> basically you're asking the other branch to pull (merge) your branch 18:42:10 <stoney> if we go that way, logan would then have to decide if to accept and merge your changes into his branch, or to reject your changes. 18:42:28 <heidi> Yes, so what volume are we talking about? Is this going to be a burden on Logan? 18:42:32 <stoney> heidi: that makes since 18:42:56 <stoney> Good question on volume 18:43:10 <heidi> :-) 18:43:18 <stoney> But what I would tell logan is that if the change isn't small enough to grok, reject 18:43:33 <stoney> which would force everyone to make small incremental changes 18:44:04 <stoney> thoughts? 18:44:06 <amber> sounds good 18:44:21 <stoney> heidi: you cool with that? 18:44:22 <amber> pull requests make sense 18:45:04 <heidi> Yes, I think that's a good idea. 18:45:09 <stoney> #agreed changes are merged back to logan_test via a pull request 18:45:12 <heidi> :-) 18:45:26 <stoney> now... can we clarify configuration 18:45:27 <stoney> ? 18:45:33 <stoney> I'm an old man and forgetful 18:45:46 <stoney> what version of python are we on? 18:45:47 <heidi> What exactly do you want to clarify? 18:45:50 <heidi> Oh, got it. 18:46:08 <stoney> Python? GTK? and OpenCV? 18:46:34 <heidi> This should go on the wiki. 18:46:43 <amber> an older version is on the wiki 18:46:48 <amber> we should just update it 18:46:57 <heidi> So that those with overloaded minds can access it. Yes Amber, thank you! 18:47:08 <amber> its on the status page 18:47:11 <amber> let me find the link 18:47:12 <amber> .. 18:47:35 <stoney> are you volunteering to update that part of the wiki amber ? :) 18:47:51 <stoney> I guess this is specific to a particular branch though 18:47:59 <amber> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Status 18:48:13 <amber> yea i think we should individually do it 18:48:38 <amber> im not sure wht everyone else is using atm 18:48:47 <stoney> ok... but I think we should have a configuration for a branch 18:49:01 <amber> ah i see 18:49:16 <stoney> for example, logan_test is targeted at a particular version of python, GTK, and opencv 18:49:28 <amber> and the others should differ? 18:49:37 <heidi> Perhaps a "readme" file on the branch? 18:49:40 <stoney> I know I had a branch that targeted 2/2/2 18:49:55 <stoney> heidi: me liky 18:50:01 <amber> if there is a readme, then we all have to be the same 18:50:06 <amber> right? 18:50:21 <stoney> well, during development yes 18:50:42 <amber> :( 18:50:46 <amber> im running fed 19 18:50:47 <stoney> we should all be targeting the same version of python, gtk, and opencv I think 18:50:56 <stoney> that part shouldn't matter 18:50:59 <stoney> does it? 18:51:09 <amber> i hope not, i dont want to flash again :/ 18:51:16 <stoney> lol 18:51:26 <amber> if anything, i think we should have a tester for 19 18:51:27 <stoney> "I feel your pain" - Clinton 18:51:28 <amber> its already out 18:51:35 <amber> lol :) 18:51:58 <amber> maybe thats a J oanie question? 18:52:10 <stoney> good point... let's try 18:52:12 <heidi> Yes, likely. 18:52:14 * stoney asking 18:52:35 <stoney> joanie: do you think it matters much if someone is developing on fed 18 vs 19? 18:52:49 <amber> and which is preferred? 18:53:03 <stoney> good point 18:53:35 <stoney> might have to email her instead... 18:53:49 <amber> im sure it wont make much of a difference right now 18:54:00 <stoney> ok i'll email her... 18:54:04 <amber> as long as everything else matches 18:54:32 <stoney> but yeah... unless there is a difference in gtk, python, or opencv.... 18:54:33 <stoney> oopps 18:54:44 <stoney> maybe it does matter, lol :) 18:55:11 <heidi> Joanie appears to be away 18:55:29 <stoney> ok 18:55:33 <stoney> well I'll email her 18:55:36 <stoney> but I agree 18:55:50 <stoney> it shouldn't really mater which version of the OS... unless... 18:56:00 <stoney> it is different in something we depend on... 18:56:08 <amber> yes 18:56:10 <stoney> in which case we need to document that we depend on it 18:56:23 <amber> ill do that shortly 18:56:25 <stoney> right now, I think our dependencies are python, gtk, and opencv 18:56:30 <stoney> do what? 18:56:39 <amber> put it on the status page 18:56:47 <stoney> ok, cool 18:56:57 <stoney> #agreed amber will update status 18:57:19 <stoney> #agreed stoney will email joanie re: dependencies between fed 18 and 19 18:57:34 <stoney> #topic next steps 18:57:40 <stoney> quickly... 18:57:54 <stoney> I don't expect to be working on mousetrap directly for another week 18:57:56 <amber> im open for direction 18:57:59 <heidi> Ah, OK. 18:58:05 <stoney> for now, I'll watch amber and logan 18:58:30 <heidi> Stoney, do you have direction for amber? 18:58:34 <stoney> amber: I've been having logan and nikki use github's issue tracker to communicate 18:58:51 <stoney> to work on the same issues that logan is 18:58:55 <amber> yes, but is logans branch updated? 18:59:06 <stoney> it should be... 18:59:14 <stoney> i've been asking him to keep it updated 18:59:14 <amber> bc im not getting the same program running as he pictures 18:59:21 <stoney> so that anyone can pick it up and run 18:59:22 <joanie> (sorry guys, in the Czech Republic atm. And need to head out for dinner soon. But I'll check my email later today.) 18:59:39 <stoney> cool joanie thanks! 18:59:50 <amber> that sounds awesome 19:00:12 <stoney> amber: if that is the case, put in an issue through github that you are not seeing what he is seeing 19:00:18 <amber> surely 19:00:19 <heidi> Yes, please. 19:00:21 <heidi> :-) 19:00:29 <stoney> are we good? 19:00:35 <amber> yep 19:00:40 <heidi> Yup 19:00:51 <stoney> ok... thanks all for being here! 19:00:59 <amber> thanks!! 19:01:01 <stoney> #endmeeting