18:16:05 <stoney> #startmeeting
18:16:05 <tota11y> Meeting started Mon Aug  5 18:16:05 2013 CET.  The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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18:16:11 <stoney> wuhoo!
18:16:26 <stoney> Who is actually here?
18:16:31 <Dark_Rose> I'm present
18:16:34 <amber> here
18:16:35 <stoney> :)
18:17:04 <stoney> I'm sure if we poked j o a n i e,  she's probably there
18:17:11 <Dark_Rose> probably lol
18:17:15 <stoney> we'll let her sleep unless we need here
18:17:37 <stoney> heidi said she'll be in a little late (around this time)
18:17:41 <Dark_Rose> ok
18:17:42 <stoney> but we won't wait for her
18:17:47 <stoney> and logan won't be here
18:17:54 <stoney> I think he sent an email to everyone
18:17:57 <stoney> true?
18:18:02 <Dark_Rose> I got one from him
18:18:17 <amber> no?
18:18:19 <stoney> amber: did you get logan's email?
18:18:21 <stoney> oh...
18:18:33 <stoney> i need to forward that to you then
18:18:42 <stoney> #action forward logan's email to amber
18:18:57 <stoney> it explained his progress to date
18:19:17 <stoney> so, updates
18:19:21 <stoney> #topic updats
18:19:34 <stoney> ok... different spelling, but it will work :)
18:19:47 <stoney> who would like to start?
18:20:01 <stoney> or everyone could just post a one liner
18:20:02 <stoney> :)
18:20:14 <Dark_Rose> I finished the Gtk deprecation problems last week. Now I am waiting to hear from Heidi about what to do with the Wiki.
18:20:16 <stoney> hi heidi !
18:20:26 <Dark_Rose> hello!
18:20:27 <heidi> I'm here.
18:20:29 <heidi> :-)
18:20:37 <amber> the docs are up and written in mallard, i changed the status page to look better and im trying to figure out logans branch (maybe his email will help)
18:20:42 <heidi> I've been away for the weekend so I'm just catching up.
18:21:38 <stoney> I haven't been focussed on moustrap, so I haven't done anything since last time.
18:21:56 <stoney> #topic discussion
18:22:06 <heidi> Dark_Rose, are you going to work on MouseTrap before Weds?
18:22:39 <Dark_Rose> probably not, I am only at OIT until noon tomorrow and I am working the whole day today
18:22:46 <stoney> amber: what branch are your documentation changes in?
18:22:53 <amber> master
18:23:08 <stoney> all: keep talking... I don't mind cross-talk :)
18:23:30 <heidi> OK, so I've got a day to figure out where to direct you next.
18:23:34 <heidi> Dark_Rose: I'll get back to you.
18:23:54 <stoney> amber: OK, have you talked with j oanie about committing this to the main repository?
18:24:05 <Dark_Rose> ok, thanks :) just shoot me an email, I sent you one last week with my questions so you can reply to that one if you want
18:24:12 <stoney> amber: or maybe that should be heidi :)
18:24:35 <amber> i think we should keep it down
18:24:46 <heidi> Umm, I guess I'm the maintainer of the main GNOME repository.
18:24:46 <stoney> why?
18:24:48 <amber> until we finish coding
18:24:56 <amber> b/c there will need to be changes
18:24:58 <heidi> So yes, I'm the person to ping when we've got a version we want to upload.
18:25:06 <stoney> ah, ok
18:25:19 <stoney> thanks heidi  :)
18:25:44 <heidi> stoney: I think you and I'll need to sit down and figure out exactly how to it that though.
18:25:51 <heidi> I haven't touched the GNOME repo.
18:26:01 * stoney wonders if logan_test should have the documentation or just wait until he is done
18:26:19 <stoney> heidi: sure :)
18:26:24 <stoney> if you can catch me :)
18:26:26 <stoney> lol
18:26:28 <heidi> Right! :-)
18:26:45 <Dark_Rose> if we don't personally need the documentation I think we don't have to worry about putting the code and documentation together yet
18:26:46 <amber> when he merges into master he will have it
18:27:01 <amber> (which eventually happens anyway)
18:27:11 <stoney> sounds good
18:27:15 <Dark_Rose> but at the same time, it might be good to have it in the branch everyone is working in so that we all know what is written there and suggest changes when needed
18:27:37 <amber> why are we all working in the same branch?
18:27:59 <stoney> we could ask logan to pull changes from the master (i.e., git merge master)
18:28:05 <Dark_Rose> we have all been copying down logan_test so that we are all on the same page
18:28:21 <amber> yes but we should probably create a branch based on his
18:28:26 <amber> and merge in his changes to ours
18:28:56 <stoney> what is in "ours" that isn't in his?
18:29:14 <amber> your personal changes to the branch
18:29:18 <amber> your commit
18:29:49 * stoney thinking
18:29:52 <amber> it just gets messy if someone forgets to commit changes and were all working on the same branch
18:30:14 <stoney> right...
18:31:05 * stoney trying to think of a good workflow here
18:31:23 <stoney> the problem is that each of us keep creating branches
18:31:27 <stoney> and then doing lots of work
18:31:37 <stoney> without committing back to some main-line
18:31:47 <amber> well we could consider logans branch the "master"
18:31:49 <stoney> then we ultimately have to do a big merge
18:31:55 <heidi> I think that's a good idea.
18:32:03 <amber> and we could be responsible to merge every so often
18:32:04 <stoney> or our individual branches become stale
18:32:12 <stoney> amber: that's what I'm thinking
18:32:28 <heidi> :-) version control at its best!
18:32:36 <Dark_Rose> I have to wait on Heidi for Wednesday so I have my next step, I have to go, ttyl
18:32:48 <amber> byes
18:32:50 <stoney> alright, bye Dark_Rose
18:33:07 <heidi> Stoney, do you have a direction for Dark_Rose?
18:33:24 <heidi> Otherwise I'm thinking I'll set her to doing wiki gardening on foss2serve
18:33:29 <stoney> heidi: you were thinking of having here garden the wiki?
18:33:36 <stoney> oic
18:33:53 <stoney> yes, I think assigning here to the wiki would be great
18:34:23 <heidi> Yes. :-)
18:34:43 <stoney> #agreed assign Dark_Rose to the wiki
18:34:49 <stoney> :)
18:34:51 <heidi> I was actually thinking of having her move a bunch of course materials from the old softhum wiki to foss2serve.
18:34:53 <heidi> :-)
18:35:00 <stoney> cool
18:36:15 <stoney> #agreed logan_test is the current main development branch; we'll branch from his, but merge back more frequently
18:36:31 <amber> make sure we are git fetching
18:36:35 <heidi> Right.
18:36:54 <stoney> yes, to make sure you have his latest?
18:37:07 <amber> to know if he made updates
18:37:17 <stoney> right
18:37:44 <stoney> #agreed regularly `git checkout logan_test; git fetch` to see what is new
18:38:03 <stoney> could just do a full pull on his branch
18:38:17 <stoney> since we shouldn't be working in his branch locally
18:38:18 <amber> i wonder if you could do a "git pull logan_test" from your branch?
18:38:25 <stoney> might be able to
18:38:32 <amber> might just have to merge
18:38:43 <stoney> then you'll still need to merge logan_test into yours
18:39:16 <stoney> but then you want to get yours back to him ASAP before he makes another change
18:39:20 <stoney> which is another issue...
18:39:47 <stoney> do you want to merge into his branch directly, or should we make pull requests to logan_test?
18:40:28 <heidi> That might depend on the change?
18:40:33 <stoney> (I'm leaning to the latter)
18:40:48 <heidi> I'm guessing that documentation changes could be merged, but code changes would be trickier.
18:40:48 <amber> what do you mean by pulls to logan_test
18:41:20 <stoney> via github... you can make a pull request from one branch to another
18:41:34 <stoney> basically you're asking the other branch to pull (merge) your branch
18:42:10 <stoney> if we go that way, logan would then have to decide if to accept and merge your changes into his branch, or to reject your changes.
18:42:28 <heidi> Yes, so what volume are we talking about? Is this going to be a burden on Logan?
18:42:32 <stoney> heidi: that makes since
18:42:56 <stoney> Good question on volume
18:43:10 <heidi> :-)
18:43:18 <stoney> But what I would tell logan is that if the change isn't small enough to grok, reject
18:43:33 <stoney> which would force everyone to make small incremental changes
18:44:04 <stoney> thoughts?
18:44:06 <amber> sounds good
18:44:21 <stoney> heidi: you cool with that?
18:44:22 <amber> pull requests make sense
18:45:04 <heidi> Yes, I think that's a good idea.
18:45:09 <stoney> #agreed changes are merged back to logan_test via a pull request
18:45:12 <heidi> :-)
18:45:26 <stoney> now... can we clarify configuration
18:45:27 <stoney> ?
18:45:33 <stoney> I'm an old man and forgetful
18:45:46 <stoney> what version of python are we on?
18:45:47 <heidi> What exactly do you want to clarify?
18:45:50 <heidi> Oh, got it.
18:46:08 <stoney> Python? GTK? and OpenCV?
18:46:34 <heidi> This should go on the wiki.
18:46:43 <amber> an older version is on the wiki
18:46:48 <amber> we should just update it
18:46:57 <heidi> So that those with overloaded minds can access it. Yes Amber, thank you!
18:47:08 <amber> its on the status page
18:47:11 <amber> let me find the link
18:47:12 <amber> ..
18:47:35 <stoney> are you volunteering to update that part of the wiki amber ? :)
18:47:51 <stoney> I guess this is specific to a particular branch though
18:47:59 <amber> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Status
18:48:13 <amber> yea i think we should individually do it
18:48:38 <amber> im not sure wht everyone else is using atm
18:48:47 <stoney> ok... but I think we should have a configuration for a branch
18:49:01 <amber> ah i see
18:49:16 <stoney> for example, logan_test is targeted at a particular version of python, GTK, and opencv
18:49:28 <amber> and the others should differ?
18:49:37 <heidi> Perhaps a "readme" file on the branch?
18:49:40 <stoney> I know I had a branch that targeted 2/2/2
18:49:55 <stoney> heidi: me liky
18:50:01 <amber> if there is a readme, then we all have to be the same
18:50:06 <amber> right?
18:50:21 <stoney> well, during development yes
18:50:42 <amber> :(
18:50:46 <amber> im running fed 19
18:50:47 <stoney> we should all be targeting the same version of python, gtk, and opencv I think
18:50:56 <stoney> that part shouldn't matter
18:50:59 <stoney> does it?
18:51:09 <amber> i hope not, i dont want to flash again :/
18:51:16 <stoney> lol
18:51:26 <amber> if anything, i think we should have a tester for 19
18:51:27 <stoney> "I feel your pain" - Clinton
18:51:28 <amber> its already out
18:51:35 <amber> lol :)
18:51:58 <amber> maybe thats a J oanie question?
18:52:10 <stoney> good point... let's try
18:52:12 <heidi> Yes, likely.
18:52:14 * stoney asking
18:52:35 <stoney> joanie: do you think it matters much if someone is developing on fed 18 vs 19?
18:52:49 <amber> and which is preferred?
18:53:03 <stoney> good point
18:53:35 <stoney> might have to email her instead...
18:53:49 <amber> im sure it wont make much of a difference right now
18:54:00 <stoney> ok i'll email her...
18:54:04 <amber> as long as everything else matches
18:54:32 <stoney> but yeah... unless there is a difference in gtk, python, or opencv....
18:54:33 <stoney> oopps
18:54:44 <stoney> maybe it does matter, lol :)
18:55:11 <heidi> Joanie appears to be away
18:55:29 <stoney> ok
18:55:33 <stoney> well I'll email her
18:55:36 <stoney> but I agree
18:55:50 <stoney> it shouldn't really mater which version of the OS... unless...
18:56:00 <stoney> it is different in something we depend on...
18:56:08 <amber> yes
18:56:10 <stoney> in which case we need to document that we depend on it
18:56:23 <amber> ill do that shortly
18:56:25 <stoney> right now, I think our dependencies are python, gtk, and opencv
18:56:30 <stoney> do what?
18:56:39 <amber> put it on the status page
18:56:47 <stoney> ok, cool
18:56:57 <stoney> #agreed amber will update status
18:57:19 <stoney> #agreed stoney will email joanie re: dependencies between fed 18 and 19
18:57:34 <stoney> #topic next steps
18:57:40 <stoney> quickly...
18:57:54 <stoney> I don't expect to be working on mousetrap directly for another week
18:57:56 <amber> im open for direction
18:57:59 <heidi> Ah, OK.
18:58:05 <stoney> for now, I'll watch amber and logan
18:58:30 <heidi> Stoney, do you have direction for amber?
18:58:34 <stoney> amber: I've been having logan and nikki use github's issue tracker to communicate
18:58:51 <stoney> to work on the same issues that logan is
18:58:55 <amber> yes, but is logans branch updated?
18:59:06 <stoney> it should be...
18:59:14 <stoney> i've been asking him to keep it updated
18:59:14 <amber> bc im not getting the same program running as he pictures
18:59:21 <stoney> so that anyone can pick it up and run
18:59:22 <joanie> (sorry guys, in the Czech Republic atm. And need to head out for dinner soon. But I'll check my email later today.)
18:59:39 <stoney> cool joanie thanks!
18:59:50 <amber> that sounds awesome
19:00:12 <stoney> amber: if that is the case, put in an issue through github that you are not seeing what he is seeing
19:00:18 <amber> surely
19:00:19 <heidi> Yes, please.
19:00:21 <heidi> :-)
19:00:29 <stoney> are we good?
19:00:35 <amber> yep
19:00:40 <heidi> Yup
19:00:51 <stoney> ok... thanks all for being here!
19:00:59 <amber> thanks!!
19:01:01 <stoney> #endmeeting